"Apparently the explination given by Plurtarch is not his own invention, but goes back to the Egyptian Tradition. He writes: "And the name Seth by which they call Typhon denotes this: it means 'the overmatering' and 'overpowering' and it means in very many instances 'turning back' and 'overpassing'."
To cut
to turn back, to abandon, to desert, to be missing when duty, loyalty or some other obligation demands one's presence.
To seperate - (the symbol expressing this) was often writen by Set's name showing he was the one apart, the cause of seperation
Another word that charactorized Set he who is pleased with desertion and hates friendship
In one of the texts it mentions to cut seth or set's group.
Im reminded of what my first teacher told me about the myth of Wsr, his other name being the dismembered one. The writer mentions this in its correlation to seth and how his name has a tendancy to be associated with 'to cut'
Of course in the myth Set cuts Wsr into 14? some pieces. In this, my teacher explained, has quite a few meanings. On of the associations is of Wsr to the harvest itself and the necessity of reaping said harvest. Some might say that no matter what we do, we must kill to live, and I think this is a very potent symbology of this idea. (was that even a word?) But even so, many plants die or go into hibernation durring the winter, only to wake up/ resurrect in the spring. Where as Wsr roamed the land and taught cultivation, like the skill he spoke of, he too was cut down to be brought back.
(haahaa I love what this guy has to say about m.a. murray!)
From the Dream Papyrus : If he drinks beer, he drinks [it so as to engender strif and turmoil]
to recap
instigator of confusion, deserter, drunkard.
"Like Set, the chosen of RA, his roaring is heard ...." (ramses III inscription)
"The Set animal functions as a determinative for words indicating concepts divergent with the normal order, which to the Egyptian mind was given by the gods and is guarded by them, and it has a negative meaning."
"the originator of confusion, like the creator who sets in order, is an aspect of total reality which cannot be spared" "This aspect of reality in cosmic, social and personal life, which finds expression in the key words storm, tumult, illness, the Egyptians could typify by means of a Set-animal with a curved snout and straight tail. Thus the disturber of the peace became an element of order in the Egyptian system of writing with..."
"As the mouth of the womb of Anant and Astarte was closed, the two great goddesses who were pregnant but did not give birth, they were closed by Heru and they were opened by Set." "The opening of the womb of these two goddesses..... closing implies the cessation of the menses and so effectively pregnancy, opening produces menorrhage and abortion."
"Contract womb, lest typhon seize upon you."
"I am a Man of a million cubits, whose name is Evil Day. As for the day of giving birth or of conceiving, there is no giving birth and trees bear no fruit."
In an unpublished text of the metropolitan museum in ny, "nebt het deserting a child of Set for the sake of Wsr"
Plurtarch beggs to differ as it is Wrs who is the father and in many egyptian txt he is called Bull of the two sisters.
-- There are a few egyptologists and fellow constructionalists who view the contendings of heru and set to be something like a campfiler story/ commady. Its helpful to me, at least that one of my favorite egyptologists shares this view, Barbara Mertz. so from about page 43 to Im now on 70 mr author guy discuses how the contendings of heru and set depict homosexuality. Its an interesting view, and he certainly can support it. However, in no other myth depiction was homosexuality ever given such a negative connotation (if his theory is correct, and it is very easy to see things his way) and because of this kind of 'stand alone' idea, I'm more convinced that this was 'a campfire story'. If his theory is correct it looks more like a particular anti-homosexual faction/cult of Heru or Wst/Wsr may have created this story.
The Compoist form was called Nubti and Antaios wait, antaios sounds a bit to greek.....
here we go (that was the greek name) Hrwyfy -heru and Set united, he with two faces
"those are the ba of heru and the ba of set, when he came to letopolis. Finnally the embraced one another and became he with two bas." "Here we have the uniting of two opposites into a totality. Union of forces " a totality as a unity of two inimical and yet collaborating opposites." ".... in the aum duat and the book of gates, .... confronted with the mystery of totality, in which contrasts are subsumed. "
"The spear of Heru goes forth against thee. The lance of Set is thrust into thy brow.
"When Heru and Set are reconciled they do not fight with one another but together against the common enemy
"A club of iron swung down on your head. Heru seizes it and Set will destroy you."
" ... the queen's title 'who sees Heru-Set. the queen does not see her consort as a being divided in himself but as one who comprises totality, in whom the opposing contrasts are united and reconciled."
Hatchepsut "rules the county as the son of Isis (= heru) and is strong as the son Nut (=Set) Ruling, the king is Heru, when he must use force he is Set."
"May I have power of the water, as Set had power when he harmd Wsr that night of the great confusion."
"Let Set streach forth his arm to let Apep fall !" ast incantation
hps = constelation of the great bear, strong arm, strength and scimitar. Set uses theis scimitar in the battle against demons of disease : The hps of Set is against you , o smn, the ktp of Ba'al is struck in your head; the bt3 of heru is struck in your vertex."
the w3s sceptre is called the giver of winds, and may be an imitation of lightening. The word w3s means dominion, the w3s sceptre can be regarded as a symbol of order. The w3s or d'm sceptre might be used as symbols of murder and disorder just as water and the foreleg.
I love this part !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"Plurtarch and other Greek writers state that Set cut the body wsr in pieces. The Egyptian text are as reticent regarding the dismemberment as regarding the murder. Frankfort even says : 'the story that Set dismembered the body of Wsr and that Wst burried the parts where she found them.... can hardly have been an original Egyptian belief... the pyramid text about in Spells in which Wst and Nebt Het, Heru or Nut 'unite' the members of the dead Wsr; they nowhere hint at an earlier willful dismemberment." Frankforts scepticism seems to sem from the lack of indications that the dismemberment of Wsr was ritually celebrated. Yet as the murder of wsr by Set was not celebrated directly while forming the often unexpressed presupposition of the many text regarding the resurrection of wsr, so the dismemberment might be the presupposition of the uniting of the members of the god and his mumification."
"Durring the transitional period, which lasted about 70 days, the deceased was exposed to being ill treated by Set. As soonas someone dies, Set can obtian power over him: "I do not die. Set obtians no power over me." This power of Set over the dead person is expressed in int. al. in the conceptions that Set grasps him in his arms, has smitten him dumb and motionless and has bound him. In bd 163 In a spell to give back his head in the netherworld there is the utterance :
" Dwn'wy has hidden me behind his arms to chase away the dammage done by Set." "O wsr, I lit a tourch for you upon the day that your mummy was wrapped. I drove away Set when he was on the point of stealing your body."
coffin text : the idea that Wsr's death or wounds should be hidden: a mast was given to wsr by RA in order to hide what was done against him, to keep secred the blow Set dealt against him.
(creepy) once in 'heaven' people hoped to be free of the onus of Set and of the count of wst. The countng may allude to wst counting the limbs of wsr.
pyr 587 - Wsr is the Ka of Set
pyr 1145 - Set cam forth from wsr
If wsr is the ntr of absolut life, whose essence includes death, then the duality fo wsr and set is that of death and life. Wsr is death from which life arises [winter to spring] Set is life which produces death [deasert sun, summer to fall].
*lol* I really like this next bit... because of the above the author looks at the murder of wsr as 'suicide'
: Owing to the duality of wsr and set which now came into being, death, whic before had formed a unity with life, became visible speratly in the strange brother. Set attempts to get rid of death, ie wsr who must die, by murdering his brother. This is the behavior of the self-murderer, in whose life death does not remain hidden until he is completed or overtaken by it, but to whom death appears as his double or alter ego and who feels the need to MURDER DEATH, so taking his own life."
-- with this murder "the chaotic is assembled into a structered order."
"By killing of wsr, set has slain himself and given himself as a sacrifice. The sacrifice of Set and his following in the ritual is the dramatisation of the murder of wsr in its true perspective. It symbolises the end of set, the demon of death, who as a suicide could find no rest. It unites him with his brother, wsr and the god of the dead. It confirms the cosmic order and does away with duality. Since the murder is not only the culmination, but also the end of chaos, it can be celebrated as sacrifice. "
HAAHAAHAHAHAAHAHA : The former professor of psychiatry at Leiden university, Dr. E.A.D.E. Carp, remarks "He who is mentally disordered lacks the blind spot which aids one who is mentally heathy to deny, annul and disregard as trifling, the reality of his own death and its surrounding presence, so that by far the greater part of mankind is 'surpised' by death.:
Set Repelling Apep
"Hail to you, O Set, son of Nut, the great of streanth in the barq of millions, felling the enemy, the snake, as the prow of the barque of RA, great of battle-cry, my you give me a good lifetime"
"O Set, lord of life, who is upon the prow of the barque of Ra, save me from all evil clamour of this year." - leiden pap.
"A royal offering to Set of Ombos, the son of Nut, the mighty one on the prow of the ship and to all the ntr in ombos."
Set is show in certain text to be the protector of Ra. " he [set] was originally the beneficent ntr of a large part of the population of the nile valley."
111
"I am Set, who causes confusion and thunders in the horizon of the sky, who heart is that of the ndb."
"Set in the solar barque might be interpreted as the violent aspect of Ra. This obviates the necessity of splitting up Set into a good and bad ntr. As in the myth of Heru and Wsr, Set in the myth of Ra also fills the part of the originator of confusion, with the difference that unlike Heru and wsr, not Ra who is the victem of Set's aggression, but Apep."
Setnekht, the found of the 20th dynasty was "like KhepriSet when he rages."
A geographical list at Medinet Habu contains a ntr SetRa. - hieratic papyri text p 109
"Set in the sun barque is often given the peithet chosen of Ra" - marriage stella of Ramses II
"And Ra Horakhte said : give me Set, the son of Nut, that he may stay with me, being with me like a child, and he shall thunder in the heaven and be feared." lieden pap
The Names of Ba'al, Ash and Teshub were all written with the set animal (they are manifestations of set in the egyptian mind)
The Hyksos were worshipers of set
"Then the king Apep mad him Set as lord, he didnt now serve any god who was in the land except Set. And he build him a temple as a perfect and eternal house beside the palace of king Apep. he appeared at the break of day to make the daily sacrifices of.... to Set, and the great ones of the palace came into his presence with nosegays, as it is done in the temple of Ra-Horakhte." Saller papyrus
In the Amhers papyrus it is Set, not Ba'al who is the one who controlls the sea.
"lord of the south land, great god, lord of heaven, fair child of Ra."
CURSE: "ombos is pulled down. Thier Temples are destroyed. All who belonged to them, are NOT. Their lord is NOT."
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